If that isn't possible, it sounds like you should be safe using it. The lack of hardness and lack of chemical resistance you are experiencing is precisely what I would expect to see in the event that the hardener wasn't used as part of a 2K system. I just noticed the care brochure is for a different product. could this also be the issue? Please help, any advice is greatly appreciated . Cork FADES heavily from sunlight so the OPPOSITE happens. Im leaning towards the Loba Supra as this is what the company I am leaning towards uses. The WS EasyPrime is a dream to work with. I have a red oak floor waiting to be finished. It was done over time: the earliest was installed in 2002, then about 2006 and then 2010. I used Loba EasyPrime with 2K Supra AT and felt the color of the wood stayed very close to the original with these coatings. Fix is to apply finish onsite. When it's damp and a little bit shinier during cleaning, I can see very light scratches, but once it's dry, you'd never see it at any angle. Just wanted to share how incredibly happy I am with our Loba 2k Invisible Protect A.T. finish. If so, how many coats of seal and finisher? Thank you. I've heard of other issues with Loba Invisible. First time users will always have trouble with any of these products. Ok, I usually ohh and ahh over the wonderful transformations our guys make to our client's hardwood floors (which I should as a proud owner! Correct, sealer is not required with Loba Invisible, but you must use a very thick first coat and get it on at lightning speed to prevent tannin pull if you don't use a sealer on oak. The protective surface finish provided by 2K InvisibleProtectA.T. May your subfloors be flat and your Christmas trees stand straight - without assistance! 3rd image, use a soft cloth and buff it out or leave it alone, it's normal. and wondered what youd recommend for a finish? I would really like to get an oil finish look under the Loba if possible. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookie (fe_typo_user) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: keine Rechtsgrundlage: 25 Abs. Just wanted to chime in here after living with our Loba Invisible AT-coated red oak floors for a couple of years. London approx. We have an experienced refinisher lined up to do the job who has never used the product. Thanks so much for your time and expertise! Would you give me your thoughts on Lobas hard wax oil, HS2K Impact Oil? Loba is designed for floors and is self-leveling, so it would run off the sides of the tabletop and have no "hang" qualities to stick to the vertical surfaces. The latest generation of water-based surface protection products for parquet. Belated thanks so much for answering my question from back in the summer (about matching a new finish to the older oil-based one on the stairs! Finally, because the matte finish isn't slick, I find that they're difficult to get squeaky clean. The older flooring is showing some wear and needs to be refinished.) Allow 5 DAYS for 95% cure - no work boots, no furniture, NOTHING going on in the house for 5 FULL DAYS, 11. Because hardwax oils dont form a plastic film that sits on top of the floor surface, it makes them far easier to spot repair than surface finishes if you ever do any damage to them. If you are going with Bona then you will probably have to sand everything down to the raw wood and start again.yahnot fun but it is the most responsible way to ensure a properly bonded finish. I think you should pick the more durable coating. Hmmmm switching products mid finish is not advised. I hope that's helpful to you in your decision process. Contractor screw up.. Wir verwenden Cookies, um Ihnen ein optimales Webseiten-Erlebnis zu bieten. 1 S. 1 a DSGVO) Speicherdauer Hchstgrenze fr die Speicherung von Cookies: 7 Monate Weitere Hinweise Die an Google bermittelten Daten sind nicht anonym und werden in den USA gespeichert. We currently ripped up carpet in our 2 kids bedrooms and the hallway, exposing red oak floors that Id like to stain grey. I have 5,000 square feet of new unfinished walnut flooring (wide plank character grade with some small knots). @HU-231824251 Do you know exactly which finish was contracted for use on your flooring? Thank you so much for your very informative website, Mr. Sadunasit is the best one of its kind that Ive found! It is possible for water to hit the UNCURED top layer and sink into the floor. Youll need to make sure you have really good ventilation. But this is a good thing too because if you stay on top of the maintenance schedule you potentially will never have to sand your floors again. Thank you all for your very long and detailed responses. After years of testing all the leading hardwax oil finishes we have decided to offer 2 options (depending on the look, color and sheen you are hoping for) Pallmann Magic Oil (our #1 choice) followed by Rubio Monocoat. I have about 680sqft to do. I've seen this before. @Aglitter This will be just for the Loba Invisible. We are planning on installing hardwood floors one room at a time and would like to go darker. Google nutzt diese Daten zu beliebigen eigenen Zwecken sowie zur Profilbildung. We dont have a lot of experience with this product just yet. I'm glad I could pull you back from the edge! I didn't really notice it when we all worked at an office and the dogs were at daycare most days, but now that all 5 of us are here 24/7/365, the grime layer is noticeable after a week. Are you still able to create splash spots? They had a nice amber color, a deep, thick build and were relatively easy to apply. I am using the semi-gloss sheen of the 2K Supra AT, and I think it looks fairly low-gloss in most lights. Hello Tadas, I am having my floors re-finished next week and the highly rated company doing it is using Loba Ws easy Finish. Looking for some final advice/recommendations. Im also considering the Osmo Polyx-oil. Zudem nutzen wir Cookies zu Analyse- sowie anonymen Statistikzwecken. Yes, it can receive faint impressions under extreme wear even at full cure. There are oil-based, water-based, 2K, and one-component finishes from Loba, for example. 5. For particularly highly trafficked floors. Biggest concerns are water resistance, able to be cleaned well (occasionally with bleach), and scratch/abrasion resistance. Anti-slip in accordance with BGR 181 and achieves DIN 51130 rating R 9. If it is going over a stained oak floor, will the top-coats appearances be noticeably different from one another? Professional flooring contractors dont want floors to fail anymore than clients do. I'm at a loss as to what to do. This looks like the way to go. A 'scuff' is when material from an object is laid DOWN. what has been your experience? There is NOTHING worse then the heartache of having beautiful floors turned 'ugly' in front of your eyes (I LOVE wood so I am right next there next to you sista')! takes and average of 1 hour for me to coat. I bought rugs & runners to hide them but now as you mentioned I need to remove them as this is causing another issue with the colour. Thanks for the info! No one is able to provide us the Lobaso we have gone with Bona. Because the reports are written to meet Court Standards of an "Expert Witness" (Canada and Australia have almost identical court requirements) the THREAT of having someone investigate the application is enough to bring GCs back to the table. The 'exotic hardwoods' (exotic from a NORTHERN Country perspective = South America and South Asia and Oceania) are OFTEN photosensitive. The company we hired stayed they only need about an hour to finish up tomorrow. Finish system for cement-based levelling compounds | Factory Line, At the Paul Smith Store in Mayfair, London approx. Loba-Wakol. A recoat with Loba 2K Supra AT is easily achieved. It's a non-traditional application not being entirely flat, but I'm really impressed with the coating and wanted to share a few of my observations thus far: That's all for now. Now that kid are grown, the floor needs to be sanded and refinished. Thanks for any recommendations you can give! Also, once you start getting past about a 13 to 15 mil thickness on your total layers, the longevity of the coating is compromised. The US/Canada has the NWFA. I dont want to stain and I dont want dull floor. Figure out where the half way point is for bottle change. We decided that keeping the floor light and neutral, in color and grain pattern, would be best. But in case this is helpful to others, these are my red oak finished with loba easy prime and 2k supra at. We dont use Loba EasyFinish anymore as we have upgrades to Hybrid A.T. for our single component finish system. Technically Loba EasyFinish is a 2 coat system over their primer. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks so much! Do what you need to do to stay safe, would be my advice. To do the same with a surface finish we would need to re-coat the entire area so we could ensure that the new finish and sheen blends in properly. to have provincial windows with oak cabinets and railings or should the windows stay golden oak and only have the provincial (darker) color on the floor. (We will be staining our oak strip floors a medium brown/gunstock color.) Matomo soll uns helfen, die Inhalte auf unserer Webseite Ihren Interessen besser anzupassen. I got all my products online from. @Aglitter Should I keep the heat/ac on while applying invisible? The floor has become yellow and there are dents and scratches. I get it. When these homeowners remodeled their home 10 years ago, we replaced the wood floors on the main level of the home since the original wood floors were too thin to refinish. The previous Houzz poster who had a failed application was a professional floor refinisher himself but had no helper and was, as I recall, applying Invisible Protect to white oak, the worst wood for tannin pull. It's a bad representation of a real life situation. It is cheaper to repair/recoat a floor like yours than it is to go to court and lose. Sounds like a good choice for the type of floors you have, Brazilian Cherry is beautiful and water based finishes work extremely well with them. The first coat of EasyPrime primer should be recoated at 60 minutes and preferably at no more than 120 minutes. It had all dried up and I was so concerned it would leave a mark. As far as finishes, whether it is a 2 component or single wont matter as far as the color. We are getting ready to choose our finish this week. Thanks a million! You may also want to look into investing in this finish system if you have old antique hardwood floors that have been sanded and refinished many times before and now dont have a lot of wood left to sand. I love the raw wood look of it so wondering if this magic stuff would be good for it as well? (I am a native Chicagoan, though, by the way!) You have an EXTREME finish (the extremes are 'super gloss' and 'extra matte'). In your opinion, can red oak be stained grey? That was the customers wish on this project. Is a two component product better for this? Do you find yourself LOVING the look of a freshly cleaned floor because it looks shiny? It's more of a challenge in actual rooms. By the photos your finish is fully intact and doing it's job (even though you don't like the LOOK of it while it is going about it's job). Im going to have a white oak #2 grade floor and walnut character grade floor sanded and refinished. You will save yourself a lot of time and headache. HVAC systems off a few hours before coating and keep off throughout coating process, can be turned on after floor can be walked on, Windows and doors closed, absolutely no air movement, can open after floor can be walked on. They are a voluntary society which 'governs' the quality of work being done to/with wood flooring. It is almost as tough as Aluminum Oxide. Water based finishes had some challenges when they first came out but they have come a very long way in the past 10 years and we would never go back to oil based urethanes even if we had a choice. She selected rift and quarter sawn white oak with a water-based sealer to keep the space bright without competing with the other wood tones. In the last article we compared all of the finish systems side-by-side and ended up choosing the 3 best by process of elimination. Especially for a decision that will last for 14+ years. Have you looked at 2K Invisible too: http://www.loba.de/en/products/waterborne-finishes/2-component-waterborne-finishes/product/2k-invisible-protect-at.html. Currently thinking the Pallmann Magic Oil and wanted to know your thoughts? Please lend me your advice. We didnt get this brochure until a week later after we noticed marks. what do you think? No we havent had issues with white lines using Loba. 44ff DSGVO Einwilligung (Art. Thought when he said commercial he was using a two part product like Loba Supra. I'm in a much better place now. There are people that love it though. retains the natural look and feel of Loba GmbH & Co. KG| Leonberger Str. I hear you. You have a BUFF mark. The hardener is what catalyzes the coating, provides chemical resistance, and makes the coating tough enough to last a couple of decades. Our entire floors are marked & damaged. 4 Hours AFTER the first coat of product the SECOND coat of product is to be applied (this is the EARLIEST it is allowed to be applied). But it will darken the wood and yellow over time. I would not recommend this with a red floor like yours. I will try to push for the Loba, but at least I am armed with knowledge. (BTW, our prefinished flooring is by Bruce, and is a natural red oak strip with square edges (no bevels at all) and a low gloss finish. It misses it by a snick. Duraseal is a good finish company. Retains the natural appearance and feel of untreated wood. It's entirely up to you. And yes its #1 grade. 8. I know it is painful to learn these things. Please answer the question below before submitting your comment: Copyright 2023 All Rights Reserved. Your mileage may vary. You can have other issues if there are too many coats of finish on a floor. For a first timer I think Rubio Monocoat would be easier. If you want something completely out of the ordinary and unique then youll definitely want to consider this option. We are replacing carpet with hardwood in our family room, dining room and hallway. But if the second estimate has 3 coats that are applied thinner than the 2 coat rate, then it will most likely be a more durable floor. Which system would you recommend for a first timer? I was wondering if you can recommend a product to deepen the contrast in the two colors? The best way to deal with it would be to get in contact with a water damage restoration company. Had we known how much different these floors would have been to our everyday life we would never have agreed to go with this product. What do you think of Loba 2K? We use the same recommended products in this article on stairs too. Installing the wood floors prior to the installation of the cabinets, we thought that the transition on the back of the cabinet was going to happen one way, but the reality was a little different than what we expected. James Toal. Im interested in your thoughts on that also. Other people such as, People worry about the color changes with Loba's WS EasyPrime and 2K Supra AT. That is an issue. As all the others mentioned above, I wish you were in the NYC area so I could hire you for my home project! For newbies, factor in time for a redo. 6. A black rubbered shoe leaves black rubber marks on a basketball court (hence the reason why treads should be white or flesh toned). Be prepared to make adjustments as condtions changes through the day and from day to day. Like buffing your car, the floor can be buffed in the same way. So sorry I really am late with this reply! Loba Invisible Protect on red oak. Or will the 3 coats be enough? Sorry for the late reply. Ps, our flooring contractor recommended Bona Traffic HD. The sealer will make it more of challenge if, you need to make a finish repair. Yes it is a very good finish and would do well for where you want to use it. Checked on the floors today after 4 hours and they seem a bit rough? You definitely do not want any water on your floor from the rain before, during, or immediately after coating, and ideally, you should have already prepared your floor by having windows closed and any central heat or air on for a week or two to equalize the moisture content of the wood to what it will be when the floor is coated and in regular use. Well, spring of 2020 was finally that time! Mix just enough to do a small section at a time and then there will be much less pressure. The general cleaning tips you were given are good, but you should wait 5 days for a Loba 2K product to completely cure before moving heavy items on it, and be aware that some customer reviews would indicate that the Loba 2K products continue to harden even after 5 days, so be careful with the floor in the early weeks. We havent no. 1 Buchstabe a) DSGVO. A 12x13 room with one closet, takes time to cut in without making a mess. Does Australia have a professional wood flooring association? You may always link your new thread from here so we know to jump over into your dedicated discussion. By clicking Accept I agree to this, as further described in the Houzz Cookie Policy. Great Series Thanks. The double and triple stacked cabinets really accentuate the ceiling height, and the cabinet style and colors are classic-timeless with a nod to the modern (but not overly trendy that it will become dated). 1000 sf. Beautiful finish btw. I cant thank you enough!!! If you are a poster trying to get solutions here in this thread, which is an old one, please understand that it is usually better to start your own new thread and especially so when multiple people are seeking counsel simultaneously in the same thread about separate problems. Houzz uses cookies and similar technologies to personalise my experience, serve me relevant content, and improve Houzz products and services. Thanks so much for explaining the differences between a couple of the best finishes you feel are available for hardwood floors. It can be used on wood, concrete, and cork, as well as wooden doors, molding, work surfaces, tables, floors, stairs, and furniture. The 2 component versions of waterborne finishes usually have much better UV and sunlight inhibitors as well, compared to their single component counterparts. This was freshly installed white oak with no previous finish. It was oil poly before and there was fresh bb's . This is what I was afraid of. Do you know if the Loba is as easily spot-sanded and refinished as the Rubio? Water based poly will cause tannin pull in white oak. We're very happy with the look and work done. Chip M. BTW I found your Blog very helpful! We are also replacing windows. ENTRYMATERIALS & FINISHES. In erster Linie handelt es sich dabei um Cookies, die fr den Betrieb der Seite notwendig sind. This is commonly seen with LOW GLOSS finishes like Loba Invisible or Bona super matte. (ie. The highest gloss level they can attain is a subtle satin sheen, and that is only specific products such as Pallmann Magic oil. 2 Nr. Maple without a sheen may be a bit blah. Using a heavy first coat and always keeping a wet edge will help prevent tannin pull but may not in all circumstances eliminate it. I cant seem to find the maroon pad anywhere near me. Your refinisher failed to tell you about the length of time you needed to be off the floor. We will be getting a new puppy in the spring most likely a lab, so a floor that can hold up to pets is needed. 2 TTDSG Speicherdauer des Cookies: 6 Monate. Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: Google Ireland Limited, Google Building Gordon House, 4 Barrow St, Dublin, D04 E5W5, Irland Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE, YSC, PREF), Local Storage Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, angesehene Videos, Gerteinformationen, Referrer-URL Rechtsgrundlage: Art. We are installing new hickory throughout the house. However, at this point, most anything would be better than what you currently have if it is an uncatalyzed coating that was meant to be two-part. We are not experienced with timber floors so dont have the tools to re sand & re coat. where do we get the product from, noone seems to know anything about Loba, no one from Loba responds to our calls or emails. It has some surface build and can be restored every six months with a new maintenance coat. 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