Having a large frame means these revolvers can accommodate a bigger cylinder which holds 8 rounds of .357 Magnum. Unburned powder under the star is typically the reason for this issue. Finally, make sure that you store your gun properly. The old made guns from Smith were excelent, then drop the cuality to save money. Thats not to say that the middle aged man was being obnoxious, nor that the sales staff was being rude. Smith & Wesson 686 Shootout: Old vs. New, Short Barrel vs. Long, Smith & Wesson model 686 .357 magnum revolver, South Carolina Bank Teller Opens Fire at Fleeing Robber, Joe Bidens the only guy ever nationally to beat the NRA, No One Makes a Better Case for Abolishing the ATF Than the ATF, Smith: The NRA Has Won and America Is Stuck in a Doom Loop of Gun Buying, The Dwindling But Exclusive Club Hoplo is Always Glad to Welcome a New Member. Worked for my 627 and 632 Smiths. Unfortunately, even the best made guns can experience problems from time to time. But if you manage to find the sear and spring, you can easily replace them. Evidently this is the new normal for S&W revolvers. However, it was the Older 686 that got her into shooting. Example: In a S&W, fitting a new cylinder stop is a pretty one-dimension activity; fit the cylinder stop to the cylinder, and install it. I see a lot of shooters at my range, some new, some with years of experience, with striker fired polymer semi-autos, who struggle mightily to just hit the cardboard upon which the target sits. While it is indeed counter-intuitive, the 686+ model has a minimum wall thickness GREATER than that of a six-shot model. The lone factory offering, the Fiocchi 158 grain FMJ .38 Special, posted a very good 1 group, with two shots in the same hole: Once again, my 173 grain Keith .357 Magnum load performed excellently, putting up a six shot group just north of 1 . It is being shipped to a local gun range. S&W 66-4 was my first big boy gun bought at a gun show from a lot of sheriff department trade ins. This S&W clone is now her baby. My model 10 was a police surplus. Since then I've been reading up. Id be happy to talk about guns, answer questions, explain some basics. Also, for the first time in its production history, S&W installed full underlugged barrels on the L frames. but these days I am looking to be where there is not a lot of trouble and if there seems to be something happening I want to get out. There is a 686 5 inch barrel, unfluted cylinder at a local LGS. Then shoot it some more, and then shoot it some more. Once the firearm is ready to be picked up at your FFL, inspect the firearm to make sure it is exactly what you ordered. Ive been around a few Pythons now with high round counts that developed pretty severe timing problems. The good old days of surplus handguns are gone. What was the upside? If there are any obstructions, remove them and try firing the gun again. Tthis is the exact problem that has been encountered in the past with the locks. On a side note, the 586 did come in a nickel finish as well for a time. Revolvers are a tough sell to novice shooters. This may also aid in minimizing the issue. The ultra rare Smith & Wesson Model 320 was a revolving rifle produced by Smith & Wesson in the late 19th century. This can be caused by dirt or debris getting into the trigger assembly. Before the internet I never would have noticed this. After leaving too many 200 meter rams standing despite solid hits with the heavy bullets, I moved on to .44 magnum. Also love shooting 38 special for target practiceso smooth! You can never have too many. How refreshing! Love my revolvers. At the time our sheriff felt that automatics were too complicated for reserve officers (he was an idiot in other categories too). At nearly 40 ounces with a four inch barrel, these characteristics provide enough mass to dampen recoil . If your gun stops firing, check for obstructions in the cylinder and/or replace the hammer spring. Who cares what the military and police are shooting? Obstructions can cause the gun to malfunction. I dont. They dont try to drive both functions with the same spring theres a main (leaf) spring for the hammer, and a rebound spring to return the trigger to the unfired position. However, there have been some reports of problems with this gun. The problem in Colt old-style double action revolvers is this: If you change something in the lockwork, you often do not change only that issue. The Model 686 has been around since 1980. Some owners of the Smith and Wesson model686 have reported that their guns have stopped firing. The L-Frame was designed to correct the weaknesses of the smaller, lighter K-Frame with a thicker top strap and heavier forcing cone, while keeping the grip the same size. Mine is the Ruger Security Six. Those are not partridge sights. Neither revolver particularly cared for my 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter .38 Special reloads. In rifles that are burning larger quantities of powder, you might still be getting an improvement in muzzle velocity by going from a 24 to 26 or 28 barrel. The Canik, Security Nine, and S&W SD9, all go for about $300. However, some common issues are present with this revolver. If youre experiencing any of these issues with your Model 68, be sure to check the firing pin spring. I own a fair number of handguns , yet my SW 586, is one gun I can pick up after six months ,and just shoot it well . Never shot before, and with no bad habits to break and having listened carefully to her instructor, my wife decimated to 10 ring. He shook his head no, and assured me that once purchased, he intended to take a firearms class. I shoot and carry what I like. I got my 2 15-2s and my 715 before the prices went nuts. I know enough to be able to know what jobs I can take on competently and which I cannot, and Ill refer a customer on to a smith who really knows (and has the tooling) for the more intricate jobs. The Model 60, the Model 66, and the Model 67 are all excellent choices. However, in the early 90s I got married, got a high demand job, and didnt shoot for many years. REVOLVER FAIL! One of the most notable instances of a well-known industry professional "outing" the S&W lock problem. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. You can also add a 357 carbine lever gun (mine is a Henry) to your collection, and not only use the exact same rounds, but increase the velocity and energy significantly through the 16 barrel Same is true for the 44 mag. Then, buy a quality .357 revolver, like the S&W 686. I concurred with him that GLOCKs are a fine product, but then asked him if he knew how a GLOCK or any semiautomatic handgun- functioned. Everybody knows that old Smith & Wesson revolvers shoot better than new Smith & Wesson revolvers, right? I carry a Springfield XD-45 I bought before the Illinois kerfluffel. The G2C seems decent, and only runs around $200 as does the EC9s. It's a competition revolver so accuracy is part of the package. What is the rifle ammo type of the Smith and Wesson 686? We shook hands and Spencer left the store that day without purchasing anything, but I had obviously given him more to think about and he went home to research revolvers. One thing, i would only load shot shells for home defense as I didnt want to shoot through a wall and hit one of my kids. My advice for new handgun shooters is always the same: start with a .22, and shoot it. My 686 sported a 8 3/8 inch barrel with a partridge front sight, square butt frame, wide serrated target trigger, and original S&W target wood grips, aka cokes. This picture is a pretty close representation: I carried and shot my 686 in this form for a couple of years on the ranch, shooting pests and targets with bulk .38 special rounds until I was, without bragging, a pretty decent long-range shot with it. While I find these only one gun discussions, A) horrifying, because why would I possibly only have one gun, and B) pointless because we dont live in a country with such restrictions (at least not yet), they do set a guy to thinking. I bought a brand new, 686-No dash in 1984. I at least can work on a S&W revolver. No safety lock on mine, great sights, and a pistol that just works first time, every time. I guess you're right. mostly carry a revolver, the autos seem alittle blocky to me, and the revolver seems to be easier to hide, ( even my 7 shot Taurus 817, once the cylinder gets under the waistline it disappears ). A partridge front sight is just as the author pictured in the photo below the paragraph where the word partridge appeared: A square-backed front post sight with flat, parallel sides and a flat, perpendicular top edge to the sight. There are not many gunsmiths left alive who really know these guns well. I wont take the time to go through the process here, as it would probably have enough content for its own article. You cant just replace some parts in these older Colt DA revolvers. Brings back fond memories. I stand by my choice. RECALL: Smith & Wesson has shipped over 300,000 Third generation Pistols. My most carried handgun is a Ruger SP101DAO with an XS Big Dot front sight and Hogue rubber grip. The only way I was getting another revolver was by selling or trading the one I had. And Im gradually easing myself into bow hunting. The cylinder on a properly timed Colt will not have ANY wiggle to it at all. Start by looking for unburned powder surrounding the star. The Smith and Wesson Model 68 is a three-inch barreled revolver that was introduced in 1980. Revolvers are fun, and mostly practical but pricey. Smith & Wesson 686 One of the most popular revolvers in production, the Smith & Wesson 686 revolver is a medium ("L frame") revolver chambered in the powerful .357 Magnum caliber. Wanted a 6 Python, but couldnt bring myself to spend the extra $ even way back then. Follow the procedures properly to get your Smith and Wesson 686 problems fixed. In exchange for that consideration you get more than double the ammo capacity. The weight is enough to absorb recoil well, while the 686 is light enough to be brought quickly from the holster and move fast in tracking targets. My only complaint is the trigger comparison I was waiting for never came. Resultant testing and review have shown that a pistol dropped at a specific angle can cause a fracture of the grip. I realized I needed a shorter barreled revolver. Id probably go G19 over my Security Six for the one gun scenario also (God forbid such a horrible situation). She tried it and that was it. JavaScript is disabled. Well I was wrong. Informative, personal, and gutsy on the barrel change. Its been with me 25+ years through thick and thin. But hey, if someone really isnt sure about what their first gun should be, pistol or revolver, just have them clean each one side by side. Guns are like Harleys and Women. The experimentation has led to, The revolutionary Ruger SR45 gun is unmatched because of its beautiful design and outstanding mechanism. Rubish. Had to trade my first pistol, a Heritage Arms Rough Rider to get it. This is hugely frustrating to those who dont take the time to really, really study what is going on inside a Colt DA revolver, and think before they touch or change anything. I put Pachmayr grips on it and I loved that gun. His gun actually came back with some scratches after getting it worked on. Actually now think it looks better than a Python. Just my own opinion. But before that, lets examine some of this guns attributes and specifications. Beretta Manurhin MR73 Sport Has a 5.25-inch barrel with excellent accuracy. Includes adjustable sights and a trigger. the sear and hammer are taken right out of the mold and then with no machining slapped into the gun. Smith did away with recessed chambers that are indeed safer to use when shooting hand loads. In theory you can deer hunt with it and it is perfect for home protection. Why doesnt S&W have the same issues? The sear and spring are rare to buy. mounted with Leupold's 2X scope makes a fine. Then, I uninstalled the 4 barrel from my old 686 and reinstalled the original 8 3/8 barrel. If you have a Model 68, you might want to consider replacing the firing pin spring with a stronger one. (sorry my bad english.). The 686 was my first big caliber revolver. jpboog 1 yr. ago I coveted it, but he would not let it go. Always buy the pre clinton lock Smith. I had a 1984 686 with a 6 inch barrel. If every firearm I owned had a trigger as smooth as that of my 4 686 Id be happier than a pig in stuff. The point is, I took my time, properly uninstalled the 4-inch barrel from my old 686 and replaced it with the original 8 3/8 inch barrel. It has the reliability of a revolver, of course, reducing the chances of a malfunction (99% of the time, the problem is the ammunition). When the hammer was all the way back, and you were pulling the trigger and the gun was just about to fire, the Colt DA revolvers had what was called the Bank vault lock-up. The Colts really did lock up tighter than S&W revolvers. If I was to buy a S&W, it would be the 686. Because of age my hunting days are numbered. Actions where we pick off some gas will suffer this diminishing return length sooner, for the same reason we see it in revolvers. Most people want guns at the intersection of smallest size, highest capacity, and lowest price. And then, a few years ago, a funny thing happened: my wife and I attended a Friends of the NRA banquet in Helena, Montana. 1. The shrouds (and grips) are where youll end up spending $$$. He later admits that having custom work done on the revolver does bring into question the origin of the malfunction. I loaded the 686 with 125 grain Federal hollow points and carried a Smith 640 as my backup. If you dont need the patch and belt buckle, or even a numbers matching case, you can pick up 15-2 Pistol Packs for less than youd think. (That is the frame size on which Smith & Wesson originally built their .357 Mag. Great Job Smith you could not have fked your customers more. I could make the case for all of those for a one-gun battery. But before he or she buys Id suggest a gun shop with an indoor range that rents guns and offers training classes. He was very polite, clean-cut, well-dressed, and was clearly an educated, successful man. When 17- 33 round magazines are being fired at you that .357 will will knock them back through a window probably. Carried 35 years by a french cop? Im actually looking at pre lock 686s right now, probably a 4 is going to be bought one of these days. That is nine ounces heavier than my standard 686. It was discontinued in 2005. Lets not forget that fifty percent of our population is female and we need their voice/votes, too. My bad. Done. Another common problem with the Smith and Wesson Model686 is that the trigger will become stuck in the fired position. How many variants of the Smith and Wesson 686 are available? Now, you can manually unlock or unstick the locking mechanism. Wonderful article, Mr. Knudsen. As stated before, Patridge, not partridge. People have shared their experiences where some of them have faced a few problems with the gun. Same deal inside a Ruger. Are you gonna stand in the middle of the room and trade shots with the active shooter? In short fk Smith if they want to make junk at least they could have reduced the price instead of insulting us with the highest prices they have ever charged for their revolvers. Besides that, there are so many inexpensive but quality autoloaders out there. If you are impatient, or dont know how to operate tools, or dont have the correct tools, or arent incredibly anal retentive, DONT TRY IT. It has other revolvers keeping it company (686 is in there). Wrong. Vinny, let me save you the trouble. If you want, you can also uninstall the whole mechanism so that the gun does not automatically lock up again. At 100 feet it would only drop less than half an inch. I then explained to him the simplicity, safety and reliability of a quality double action revolver. What makes a front post a partridge sight is the squared/vertical back side of the sight that you see on that 8 3/8ths barrel above. First, the rabbi [below] suggested that it may be an internal lock failure. I used to load 110 grain with blue dot powder made in my basement. Imagine what that does to the barrel. Well, the old Colts had a wonderful lock-up. If for some reason the county said that I had to go back to a wheel gun I wouldnt feel that I was poorly armed. I love my GP100, and no stupid lock on it. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Once accommodated for that 1-2 inch groups were typical. It was quite a wait to locate the one I wantedS&W 686-6 4in. The S&W 686 Plus probably won't satisfy a more gadget-oriented shooter. Theyre simply shorter-barreled and sport red-ramped combat front sights, which I dont find as precise for target shooting. You have two options You can not by a kit which removed and enables the lock or send it back to the company for a lock replacement. At the time, the market was flooded with police surplus units very cheap. The Smith and Wesson Model686 is still in production. There are a few smiths left who really know these older Colts, but theres almost no one under the age of 50+ who works on old Colts (that I know of). Full disclosure: the 686 was my first big handgun (as in, not a .22). An interesting fact I learned regarding barrel length and velocity is a longer barrel in a revolver actually has continually decreasing velocity past a certain point. Is it just me? Xtrooper cautions that "the internal lock is a handy scapegoat for every failure of a Smith revolver equipped with one, but the fact is that verified failures are rare. Real cowboys pack a Model 66 for its lighter front end. I forgot to mention Smith rifling the barrels with an EDM type machine that burns in the rifling. I cannot say whether it is as accurate at long range as it used to be, since I dont see 200 meter targets well anymore. Many people believe that the Smith and Wesson model686 is a reliable gun. He politely thanked me, accepted my offer, and introduced himself as Spencer.. The Smith & Wesson Model 686 is a six- or seven-shot double-action revolver manufactured by Smith & Wesson and chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge; it will also chamber and fire .38 Special cartridges. I didnt have the money to simply go out and purchase another 686. I still have both pistols 686 and 640 in my safe. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Even some 2-3 inch barrels have a higher velocity than the longer ones. If these solutions do not fix the problem, take your gun to a qualified gunsmith for further diagnosis and repair. as far as guns go. 33Charlemagne If I have a S&W and Colt in my shop at the same time in the future, Ill take some pictures or video and try to explain why theyre so different and why you should shoot S&W, and collect old Colts. Smith sold us out! After cocking the hammer, you might need to manually turn the cylinder to get it into the locking notch. The author finds the seven-shot Magnum, above, a great handling revolver. Mine was $315 three years ago. If S&W wants to re-invigorate their revolver sales, the single best thing they could do would be to start offering models again without the Hillary Hole. Thats the downside. Some people just go around all the forums with their incessant whining about S&W products. I want a 627 but will not buy anything with a hillary hole! I was a crack shot with it, and had more than once made outstanding long-range shots that were witnessed by others. I like it when this blog publishes pieces like this. I am using S&W from 10 years and i never face any problem. The fact is most dgus occur without a shot being fired. Damn good gun, easy to shoot, minimal recoil. So, I have included the solutions to these most common issues that the Smith and Wesson 686 users face. You may face some common problems if you own this revolver. Sure enough, my name was called and I suddenly became the owner of a brand new, 4-inch model 686. The .357 Magnum version of the Model 686 Competitor weighs 53 ounces. Maybe the $185 Ruger Wrangler is the budget revolver to buy now. A fine article. Thats what everyone keeps telling me.. You should keep the barrel pointing upward as you remove the casings. His work was done at the Smith & Wesson factory, but this got me to thinking: why couldnt I re-barrel my revolver myself? I dont consider myself an expert on these older Colts. If its got the internal lock, it might as well not exist to me. Art, no debate from me. By the way even Walther took away Smiths right to make the PPk auto guns because they screwed them up so much they were not even reliable which was once the hall mark of the finely made French and German made PP series of auto pistols. Smith did away with pinned barrels. Three barrel lengths were available, in 16 . It also had never been back to the S&W factory for the "M" stamp modification, which is a replacement firing pin bushing in the frame to prevent primer flow with high pressure loads. YOU should be THE weapon. The gun is a tack driver and the serrations appear to be aligned with the topstrap. I have a pre lock 686 and it looks perfect to me. Well done. If the problem still exists, try opening and closing the cylinder until it closes smoothly. Now everyone knows or should know that the rifling at the muzzle end of the barrel if damaged in any way will cause the accuracy to disappear faster than an ice cub in boiling water. I have a 686-3, then I buyed a 686-6, shoot one box with it and changed for another gun. Excellent article about one of the most practical, reliable firearms ever manufactured. Although the probability of this issue occurring is thin, you should be aware. While the Smith & Wesson Model 320 did not suffer from chain fire problems, the Model 320, like the Colt, tended to spray burning powder from the cylinder into the shooter's forearm. Many, many yrs ago, Dan Wesson(when it was) offered a model 15 .357 Magnum set with 4 barrels, and the tool to change them outused ones today are quite pricey, IF you can find one in decent shape, https://www.guns.com/firearms/handguns/revolver/357-4-barrel-set/UXQ0O9YIBG. If I could have only one firearm for self defense, it is very similar to your choice, but my firearm of choice is a Colt Python circa 1980 or so in blue with a 4 inch barrel. any form of hand to hand combat training has something to offer. Lets quickly review the 686 troubleshooting techniques listed in the table below. This revolver can do just about anything: personal protection with proper 125 or 158 grain JHPs; mountain/woods duty loaded with heavy Buffalo Bore factory ammo or hand loads consisting of 173 grain cast Keith bullets in front of a good dose of 2400; or plinking/target shooting with (relatively) inexpensive .38 special fodder. Send it back and have them make it right. If, God forbid, I was limited to only one firearm, what would it be? (sorry my bad english.) Rubish. The old style internal lockwork in Colt DA revolvers (Colt Army Special, Colt New Service, up through the Python, etc) are very subtle and involved mechanisms. 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