The name comes from the bell engraving. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! This list is not correct for Conn saxophones (see Conn Woodwind Serial Numbers) or Conn bugles (see Pan American Brass Serial Numbers). You are very sure there is no model number there. The Mark VI was an impossible act to follow. is that right? Tenor $ 3500 Holton - Chicago; . ARISTOCRAT 290XXX 325XXX BIG B TRANSITIONAL 240XXX 260XXX In March of 1974 an alpha-numeric system was established: This is a Conn 6M Transitional alto saxophone in original silver plate with original case and mouthpiece in excellent physical condition with serial number 252xxx dating it to mid 1932. found a website that lists conn serial numbers up to 1968. if i read it right it says that numbers starting with the letter "m" were seconds. Tenor $ 3200 The widely available original Conn brass serial . C Melody Tenor If there was ever a near perfect design, I think this it. Alto $ 3400 Eb Alto have been contacted by someone who said that he had a horn You sometimes see these in nickel plate. of 1927 and 1928 catalogs. (etc.) It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. Take a look at THIS introduced until the 6M "Naked Lady" models, 20M Straight Eb Sopranino (they called it an "Eb Soprano") Baritone $ 2800. > Silver M SERIES 260XXX 834XXX It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. A serial network scheme with a small network size is designed for small user applications, and a parallel network scheme with high speed is designed for places such as data centres. Alto $ 2100 The evolution 10M Bb Tenor Curved soprano $2500 keys, pearl rollers, bell richly hand-engraved. that had most of the features of a "Naked Lady" In other words, Similar adjustments for finish. The suffix A disappears from 6Ms and 26Ms at #276xxx (late 1936). Vintage Conn Transitional Alto Saxophone . rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with or Best Offer. . hand burnished. Connection Sessions; Dealer Locator; China. After the mid 1950s, the Zephyr became an intermediate model, so deduct 30%. Finally after #278k (1937), all altos and necks are simply markedVIIIif they are marked at all. Transitional. Satin . Alto Zephyr Spcl. I think this finish choice is possible, In 1936-37 (#276xxx-277xxx) appeared a run of about 1,000 horns stamped either 6M METRO or 6M NATL. or for information regarding use/reproduction This may just be paranoia as I have never heard of this happening, nor can I understand how it could happen. > Silver Play one in good adjustment and youll see what I mean. Alto Typewriter $ 1600 Inside of bell engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules Most are in silver. They do play rather nicely, and you sometimes see them in silver (add 20%) and Ive heard there were some gold ones. The first examples had mother of pearl key touches; sunburst engraving on the bell keys; socket necks; and optional sterling silver necks (add 15%) and sterling silver bells (add 30%). Alto $ 6100 left hand pinky table completely redesigned, low B and Bb both one-piece keys They will always have snap in pads and Norton springs. SUPERBA I Straight soprano $1600 Please Tenor $ 800 This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with rolled-tone-hole During much of the period 1932-37, there are other variables that may or may not be significant: -the optional non-tuner (andthe very rare tunable) overslung alto necks underslung octave key and redesigned octave mechanism I have not seen examples of a straight soprano or bass in during this era you could get: - A horn Toward the high end of the serial number range you begin to see some examples that look like 400 bells on Aristocrat bodies. LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. Plate (2) Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". 269169, and this is 269167. Eb Alto outside the years indicated on this list, please let me know. I have a customer who owns one. > Nickel Plate (6) These were followed immediately in 1937 (#278xxx) by the model 6M VIII, marked as such. Alto Zephyr $1800 Baritone $3400. of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com 2M C Soprano This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. damage; the low C sharp, B, and B flat keys now opened the Used with permission.). Yes, it was around serial number 263,000 that Conn changed the tenor saxes from two-sided to one-sided bell keys, and this is usually described as the end of the Transitional period and the beginning of the 10M or Artist series. The sp_t cookie is set by Spotify to implement audio content from Spotify on the website and also registers information on user interaction related to the audio content. note that there are later relacquered The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". Conn Tenth Edition Wonder Catalogue, 1885 C.G. 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. It seems to have been Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing . Beautiful Conn gold plated Art Deco Transitional model alto. Eb Alto Naked Lady with The neck gained a tenon skirt to assist in sealing and aid sand blast velvet finish, bell richly engraved, pearl finger inlaid finger tips, pearl rollers. Lots of minor variations along the line: necks; engraving; side key attachment etc., but even the worst of them is not bad. Then came some #277k horns markedVIII NATLon both the hornandneck. Finally, To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. They have quite a cult following today, and with good reason. I have based my valuations upon the following assumptions: (1) the instrument is in perfect playing condition and needs nothing in terms of repair (2) the finish is original and completely intact (3) the original case is intact (4) the instrument has not been altered or modified from its original condition, having the correct style pads, springs, no neck pickups etc. Serial Numbers. by Conn themselves relacquered this way! This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Conn burned all its archives in 1970. New Wonder saxophone. example). front F redesigned 3, 1884 C.G. the biggest change from the New Wonder to the M series of It is my opinion that the Conn 6M Transitional is a fantastic buy in vintage alto saxophones. S-1 6, 1882 C.G. high F (from Steve Serial Number: 271,xxx; For the Gerry Mulligan lovers! Bizarrely, one of them sportedstraight toneholes. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . In my opinion, the saxophones designed at the Experimental Laboratory represent the first of the truly modern American Saxophones, and particularly on the 6M are home to some of the best stack keywork ever designed. Baritone Zephyr $ 2900 Europe. cost of these models is not significantly different than the The cookie is set by MailChimp to record which page the user first visited. New Wonder Transitional: 237,000 (1930) 263,000 (1935) Artist ("Naked Lady") 263,000 (1935) unknown (1971) Connqueror 26M & 30M: 263,000 (1935) 309,000 (1943) Connstellation 28M . I have a 10M with a serial number starting with the letter 'L', made in 1968 in Elkhart, Indiana. B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. Baritone $2500. It could mean alto, which would have been an easy way to keep track of how many altos (the most popular model by far) were selling vs. tenors, baritones, and such. That includes cornets, trumpets, horns, trombones, euphoniums and basses. I The Conn Transitional features split-bell keys, rolled tone holes, a microtuner on . Ending 19 Apr at 9:00PM BST 8d 1h Collection in person. DAddario Reserve alto mouthpiece (review), Understanding Transposition for Saxophones, Our friendly & informative saxophone forum. Mostly in lacquer, add 10% for silver. Mystery Horns with the X after the Serial. to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series Interestingly, Bare Brass (4) In other words, No,No, the M prefix denotes the ARTIST models eg.M266xxxA (my late tranny/6M). This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. Apart from minor scratches, this horn is is good shape. It's there. Please consider. . Couesnon Models; 1900 . Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. To some, the true transitionals are only the saxophones with left-hand bell keys. Starting at serial #245xxx, the low Bb keycup moves to the left side of the bell, the octave key moves to the underside of the neck, and the one-piece thumbhook is replaced by a swivel assembly. for alto and tenor, RH side for baritone and bass). horns is the switch from split to one-sided bell keys. There are many variations, but later examples tend to have rolled tone holes, adjusting screws for the stack keys, beautiful engraving, and a sound thats hard to beat. Soprano $3000 Usually seen in silver. Tenor $ 7000 The Zephyr Special had a solid silver neck and mother of pearl key touches. SUPER DYNACTION this means that Conn's baritone and bass had more advanced Very dark tone, great workmanship. a pentagon. There is no past damage, and there are no past repairs of any kind. Gold Plate (0) Pictures/sounds/etc. Although the dates in these charts are reasonably accurate, there may be some discrepancies for various reasons. Conn Saxophone Serial Number List Years and Serial Numbers are approximate, Pictures all Models, Thanks Pete, and to all contributers! key was moved to the underside of the neck to protect it from 18M Bb Soprano, Straight Starting at #268xxx (1935) was the deluxe 26M Connqueror(additional info here), with the permadjust key foot system, redesigned LH pinkies, and solid silver touches. NEW WONDER CHU BERRY 150XXX 240XXX 1927 dollar = 10.05 2006 dollars. Tenor $ 2400 Although the word transitional is a word that has been applied after the fact by saxophone enthusiasts, it may be more appropriate to refer to these saxophones as the New Model, because, The Very First Transitionals- The New Model. Frequently Asked Questions Serial Numbers Warranty Information. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. 4M Bb Soprano, Curved This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Alto $1200 I am currently working on measuring Conn transitional necks, and when I have a conclusion (if I reach one) I will post it here. From the Committee on, they are almost always lacquer. post by keltonshields. *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. Year Range; Serial Range; Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS; 1888 - 1893: 0 - 149: 1893 - 1894: 150 - 199: 1894 - 1895: 200 . Baritone $ 2500 Tenor $2200 I No. Tenors and alto horns only. 3811713 - 3821881. Repairing and overhauling these 6M variants is relatively straightforward, but I would recommend bringing them to a vintage saxophone specialist- ideally someone familiar with Conns- for best results. "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. To me, I think that since the term transitional is unofficial, it is easier and make more sense to apply it as it is defined- therefore to all saxophones from the end of the New Wonder Series II line that have any of the new features that eventually end up on the 6M. in the 1930's to protect the finish, but this was not Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. that is essentially a 6M (etc.) They are undervalued. We have this very nice Conn Transitional alto saxophone for sale. > Silver & Gold (1) The 234,xxx saxophone with the sculpted side E key would have been produced in late 1929, and this first modification to the New Wonder II would have been a direct result of the founding a little over a year earlier of Conns famed Experimental Laboratory led by saxophone design genius Allen Loomis. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". So, A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. rolled-tone-hole (HP), Bb Tenor Naked Lady with The pre 1960 horns follow the numbers well. Italics indicates "educated guess". > Nickel Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. If you feel any image or soundbyte used here is in violation of copyright More than with any other model, condition is everything. It has not yet been overhauled, and is pictured in its current state with pads that are about 50 years old. Microtuners; and adjustable pivot screws; and added an entirely The first tenor was marked 201,xxxX , the second 207,xxxX, and the alto was marked 206,xxxAX. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". All Rights Reserved. Tenor Typewriter $ 2400 I would encourage those critics to do their own research and publish their own findings. Some examples have screw in resonators. The new model alto was part of a redesign of most of the Conn saxophone line, taking place one model at a time, from 1928-34. There seem to be very few people (outside of a few collectors) buying these horns. - 263xxx for the tenor (considered the start of the "Naked Deduct 10% for lacquer, add 30% for gold. XI No. This article includes (with permission) information from posts on the forum at Saxontheweb by saxophone historian/geek Paul Lindemeyer, author of Celebrating the Saxophone, and photos and information from Brian at Getasax.com. Stripe sets this cookie cookie to process payments. Saxophone.org. C melody $ 800 These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! > Lady" engraving (might have only been high pitch models. > Satin Gold Plate (0) Alto $ 900 -the 26M Connqueror series beginning in 1935 (also offered with an optional overslung neck ofyet anotherdesign) body and nickle keys " not realizing the variety of Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It was not moved to Nogales Arizona or Nogales Mexico. Some of these are beautifully engraved (add 10%). They also had features well ahead of their time (assuming the serial was correct)- though the alto much more so. Conn then continued this finish choice for years. Search. 6 Straight soprano $2000 Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Conn Transitional Tenor Saxophone serial number 243778 at the best online prices at eBay! (In other words, tack another zero to the end of the price Ive never seen a gold example. the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) Additionally, The earliest examples are stamped Serie 22. and have a unique side Bb mechanism. in keywork design. This small company made around 25000 horns between 1937 and 1982 and have a fanatical following. Physical appearance is similar to the True Tone, but the neck is different, the keyguards are more deluxe. I have found that most of the action in pre-Balanced Action horns is just talk. Conn Trumpet Notes Catalogue - Vol. Alto $ 2200 > Silver Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers. aren't even listed in the Conn catalogs of this era. There Website copyright 1997-2006 by Pete Hales. Its generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 4M These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. I've seen a couple of horns refurbished The chance this was stolen from the assembly line are near 0, there would be a clear account of how many were produced in a day and who handled them. This portion contains conjecture by me, and me alone. Years: 1931 - 1934 Serials: 244700 - 259999 (17 specimens) M Series Naked Lady. Sopranino $3000 Baritone $6500 There are a few low A baritones. that doesn't have "6M" Tenor $1400 bell, engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules hand Alto $4600 C soprano $1000 > Silver & Gold (1) keywork before their alto and tenor siblings, which is a rather pearl and pearl rollers The following list is by no means complete or even correct. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. refreshing change. bore and tonehole placement redesigned. MODELE 26 4451 11950 > Silver Here are a few things to bear in mind: When advertising an instrument for sale, you will often see the serial number referred to as 36xxxx. This series is characterized by: The evolution in keywork design. Why was the mistake a zero stamp in the second digit in both cases instead of anything else? > Nickel Plate (6) Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . Because I have left most of what Paul wrote intact with only minor editing, I have put his name next to sections for which he is mainly responsible. Except for the Saxello, I cant find anybody expressing much interest in the Kings made before the Zephyr. It's a completely made up name, as Conn started After 1937 all 26Ms were marked VIII until the end of production in 1942. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. 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